Dude my regen is huge. I can’t OOM.

Something I hear frequently on forums is:

“I can’t OOM with my spirit, you must be doing it wrong”.

To that I say:

  1. You are doing it wrong.  Try casting spells.
  2. You are lying.

So as a quick little post let me show you what type of spirit will let you cast without fear of hearing the “Not Enough Mana” emote:

With T20 Gear you too can be OOM-less during T16

With T20 Gear you too can be OOM-less during T16

Basically you can see how much mana our rotation costs.  Look at your character sheet and compare your combat regen with the mana cost.  There is quite a deficit there.  In the spirit figures above I have included the use of divine plea on CD and its scaling with spirit.  For the meta calculations I have figured 15% up time and a savings of 21600 mana per proc.  This comes out to be about 4,050 Mp5.  I have not figured in regen trinkets but they average about 2k worth of spirit.  So even with meta and 25% haste you are talking 30k+ spirit to have the regen to to cast without ever slowing down.

So Spirit does = Throughput.

As a bonus number to visualize what gemming does for us:

  • 3 Intellect gems (160 each) will boost your HPS by 1%.  18 Gems will boost you 6.6%.
  • 2 Mastery gems (320 each) will boost your HPS by 1%.  18 Gems will boost you 10%.
  • 2 Spirit gems (320 each) will boost you 469 Mp5 or 1 extra holy radiance every 230 seconds.  18 Gems will boost 4223 Mp5 or 1 extra holy radiance every 26 seconds.
Guy on forums

Guy on forums

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5 Responses to Dude my regen is huge. I can’t OOM.

  1. Aelthais says:

    Just a random comment to congratulate you on your blog. I went back to healing a few weeks ago and your advices and infos were very useful. I’m outhealing pallys that have way more gear than i do and that feels good. Thank you.
    I had the same feeling about spirit, i like having some: few gems to have around 12k, but i’d rather stop casting expensive heals in downtime to regen than have more spirit to cast more.
    I have a question regarding haste: i have 9198 haste rating (21.64% w/o buffs, 33.81% with Seal of insight), it’s a lot for my gear but so far it seems that i perform well, if i manage the encounter correctly. Should i reforge/regem with more mastery? Or should i try to get to the 45% haste BP with buffs?
    here’s the armory, if necessary: http://eu.battle.net/wow/fr/character/kirin-tor/Aelthais/advanced

    Thanks again for your blog, it’s really helpfull. Keep it up!

  2. aelthais says:

    Just a random comment to congratulate you on your blog. I went back to healing a few weeks ago and your advices and infos were very useful. I’m outhealing pallys that have way more gear than i do and that feels good. Thank you.
    I had the same feeling about spirit, i like having some: few gems to have around 12k, but i’d rather stop casting expensive heals in downtime to regen than have more spirit to cast more.
    I have a question regarding haste: i have 9198 haste rating (21.64% w/o buffs, 33.81% with Seal of insight), it’s a lot for my gear but so far it seems that i perform well, if i manage the encounter correctly. Should i reforge/regem with more mastery? Or should i try to get to the 45% haste BP with buffs?
    here’s the armory, if necessary: http://eu.battle.net/wow/fr/character/kirin-tor/Aelthais/advanced

    Thanks again for your blog, it’s really helpfull. Keep it up!

    • bouchbagette says:

      Thanks for the positive feed back. I would drop down to the 7170 haste break point since you don’t have the legendary meta gem. An argument could be made for the 3501 BP as well but I think the cast times are too slow, just doesn’t play as fun. Swap 2000 haste for mastery and call it a day.

  3. Aluutu says:

    -Hello fellow Paladins, Aluutu-Us Lothar here. Great topic, but a bit confusing. Hoping for some advice and guidance. Here is my issue before I started messing around I was approx 21k spirit unbuffed. Just too much for some fights so I dropped some and picked up intel and mastery. (Already @ 7171 haste for the extra tick of EF) Now Im down to 18.1k spirit, but I didn’t notice any increase in my healing @ all. So, a bit confused.
    -Normal Thok with 21k = 155k HpS (avg over our 2 attempts last week)
    -Normal Thok with 18k = 138k Hps (avg over our 2 attempts this week)
    (Yes I know it is sad were still wiping once a week on Thok)

    -To further my confusion, I went online and checked some H.Pallies progressing through heroic siege. The top active paladin on my server is speced very similarly to me but only has 14k spirit! How is this possible. HR>HR>HS>EF only really become viable once you reach 16-18k spirit. (For me anyways) And I will go OOM just spamming that rotation. How can you be speced into EF and be into heroics and have such low spirit. He is reforged out of spirit on every pc of gear and uses almost all solid mastery gems ignoring socket bonuses.

    -To be honest, before I saw what other paladins were doing I was going to gem back to almost all spirit gems. Now I don’t know what todo, how to gem and reforge. With any luck next week will be our guilds first push into Heroic content this x-pac. So, please, any help/suggestions/thoughts or even questions are most welcome!

    And please keep this paladin blog going. I have told every paladin I’ve talked to about your website since I found it. This is a great resource, and it’s wonderful to have a community of other holy paladins coming together to help each other. Great post and a great topic for us!

    • bouchbagette says:

      Thanks for the kind words. I hope to continue to provide interesting insights on our class through WoD. Waiting for Beta to get to work on number crunching 6.0.

      As for you question. Comparing healing parses can be difficult because a large percent of our effective healing (the number that you are comparing) is based on things outside of our control such as what the other healer(s) is doing, how much damage the raid is taking, how the tanks are doing for self heals/absorbs, and mechanic changes such as how many stacks you go to on Thok. So comparing only 2 data points is tough. A slightly better judge would be to compare your total healing with overhealing. Still not ideal but takes away from some of the stuff out of your control.

      Swapping 3.2k spirit for mastery will theoretically boost your output by 5% (if you don’t OOM more). So at a 150k HPS performance we are talking a change of 7.5k HPS. I would put money on the fact that your output dropped had more to do with things out of your control or execution than the change in stats.

      As for the pally you are comparing to, 14k spirit on Heroic Siege, he can pull that off because of the fight. It is short and lots of moving around. I have done the fight with 10k spirit (didn’t regem/forge from SH Thok) without issue because you are not continuously casting heals. Fights like Garrosh and Paragons are harder to pull off at lower spirit levels but still possible with good Raid CD usage, pots, and meta procs. I prefer 16-18k spirit for EF as there is enough room for error and meta proc non-utilization but keeping haste/mastery up. Totally doable with less and more spirit means more room to overcast Holy Radiance. But what will mater more than stats is raid and personal execution. I find just holding off on a Holy Radiance for Holy Shock to come back up when damage is low goes a long way in improving mana efficiency more than having an extra 1-2k of spirit.

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